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#1 | Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:55 am
Big Kahuna Show info
| ZitatSenator Ted Cruz is wise to laugh off Donald Trumps intimation that his constitutional qualifications to serve as president may be debatable. Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. | ||||||||
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#2 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:29 pm
Dr. Joseph Warren Show info
| I don't know, Frank. The well-known Constitutional Scholar, John McCain (aka McClown) has weighed in. And given how Senator McClown is ALWAYS so supportive of fellow republicans (and critical of democrats), we can be assured his point of view is genuine and he has no ulterior motives. (either that, or he's vying for his weekly "bash the conservative" slot on Meet The Press to continue) ZitatWhen it comes to questions about his citizenship, Ted Cruz isn't getting a heckuva lot of help from some of his fellow Republicans including John McCain, for example. "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it" | ||||||
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#3 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:26 pm
Deborah Sampson Show info
| Sigh. You do realize that National Review carries no weight of law? And you do realize that constitutional scholars vary in their opinions on the natural born controversy and its correct interpretation? Right?? I've already given you the Cruz isn't eligible viewpoint from Attorney Puzo, here's another group: While I do not agree with them on every single point, they do raise valid issues. Now from two people who happen to agree with you and Harvard Law, and National Review (I do like to be fair). First: Breitbart: The Cultural and Media Reality of the Cruz Crisis Some excerpts: ZitatFirst off, as cut and dried as Cruzs citizenship issue might be to Levin, the trip to the cut and dried is objectively murky. My colleague Joel Pollak, who attended Harvard Law School, lays it all out here. Pollak doesnt question Cruzs eligibility; he does, however, understand modern American politics and lays out a convincing case as to why the issue could eventually become a problem for Cruz. All points I myself have raised several times. Second: Breitbart: Law Prof: Ted Cruz Eligible but Good Faith Doubts Excerpts: ZitatCornell Law School professor William A. Jacobson, who also founded the highly respected Legal Insurrection blog, has addressed the question of Sen. Ted Cruzs eligibility for the presidency, along with several other candidates. I agree there are legitimate questions but I disagree there is little judicial precedent and I highly disagree with the rest of his statements (as do other law professors and constitutional scholars such as Herb Titus). There is judicial precedent, its just being ignored in favor of political expediency. And there is a definite and clear distinction in our founding documents along with 19th century legal jurisprudence that the meaning of "natural born" is separate from "citizen at birth". All the confusion (or rewriting of the definition) is coming from the viewpoint that both are the same which in my view is utterly ridiculous. This idea puts our country into great national security risks and could in no way be what the founders intended which is why this re-interpretation is utterly absurd!! (The pitfalls of which are so clearly illustrated in this little gem of a story). All of this has been done for the sake of political agenda, rather than what is right for the country. I also warned back in 2008 if Obama and his eligibility problems were not addressed by Congress (which it wasn't) that it would open up a floodgate of future ineligible candidates, and I was right. To quote Levin with a minor change, "I don't have to agree with Levin or Frank Cannon" on this issue. I have legitimate questions which so far have not been answered to my satisfaction by those who equate natural born as being the same thing as citizen at birth. They are clearly not. | ||||||
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#4 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:25 pm
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| @conservgramma The following article contains many links to original sources: Publius Huldah January 29, 2013 Illegitimi non Carborundum | ||||||||
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#5 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:35 pm
Big Kahuna Show info
| Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #2I don't know, Frank. The well-known Constitutional Scholar, John McCain (aka McClown) has weighed in. And given how Senator McClown is ALWAYS so supportive of fellow republicans (and critical of democrats), we can be assured his point of view is genuine and he has no ulterior motives. In that case can one of the Mods pull this thread in it's entirety? McLame has settled this and there isn't anything more to say. Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. | ||||||||
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#6 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:37 pm
Big Kahuna Show info
| Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #3Sigh. You do realize that National Review carries no weight of law? No, but the Lawyer and former US Attorney writing the piece does. Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. | ||||||||
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#7 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:00 pm (Last edited: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:02 pm)
Deborah Sampson Show info
| Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #6Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #3Sigh. You do realize that National Review carries no weight of law? Unless those guys are serving in The SCOTUS or Congress - no they don't. All they have is a legal opinion piece. Since two of my sources are SCOTUS rulings and a Congressional ruling dating to 1866 defining the "natural born" definition, they do have the weight of law. P.S. Read the link algernon posted above. | ||||||
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#8 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:09 am
Big Kahuna Show info
| Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #7 Is this the same SCOTUS that gave us Dred Scott v. Sandford, Korematsu v. U.S., Plessy v. Ferguson, Kelo v. New London, Griswold v. Connecticut to name a few? Thanks but I will pass. Up until recently, if you were an American citizen that wasn't naturalized, you could be President. The 1790 act and the amendment 4 years later, by CONGRESS and signed by President Washington ends all debate. Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. | ||||||||
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#9 | RE: Ted Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:38 am (Last edited: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:52 am)
Deborah Sampson Show info
| Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #8Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #7 The 1795 Act Read it here which AMENDED the 1790 act is the one that settles all debate. Hint: That act removed the words "natural" born. And yeah, that one was signed by Washington which nullified the 1790 act. You and your cohorts love to ignore the revised act. Wonder why? Perhaps it has something to do with this section: Zitatand the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States. Did you catch that Frank, the 1790 version said "shall be considered as natural born citizens of the United States." The 1795 amended act removed the words natural born and changed it to mere citizen. This following a letter by John Jay to Washington whereby he was concerned that citizens born on foreign soil would be considered natural born. Documents do matter. Another hint: Both Acts as worded make Cruz ineligible since his father was never a citizen nor was he a resident of the U.S. at the time of Cruz's birth. Try again Frank. | ||||||
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